M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

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M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:46 pm

Just bought this helmet and I think I'll do a restoration project on it. :-?

Thanks to Mark and Pablo for their kind help, I think this thread should be quite interesting.

Original liner and chin strap, add a decent paint job, the paint on it now, isn't original any way.

I haven't received it as yet so it's all about finding it's size and a decent liner.

Quite looking forward to it :thumbsup:
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby pablo10 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:51 pm

fantastic and look forward to the updates as they happen

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Dave_Holden » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:23 am

Nice Pete - great project and looking forward to seeing the various stages :thumbsup:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:05 pm

Pete, today I did some measuring of a few helmets. Size 66 measures 68 cm's outside circumference. Size 64 measures 66. Size 62 measures 64. I would wait until you get it in your hand and look closely for a size stamp to hopefully confirm the size before looking for that liner. Make sure you get the washers when you look for the three liner pins. They are important to ensure the liner and pins fit tight in the shell :thumbsup:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:40 pm

I will do Mark, I'll have a look around to see who's got these washers..

Hopefully the helmet will be with me quite soon.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:15 pm

M40 Helmet arrived also, three pins and washers, marked SO 1941 are on the way.

I've measured the inside of the Helmet shell, and I believe it's a 64" shell.

Going by the outside measurement, I think this proves it's a 64".. 65" minus 1"... :grin:

So, it's starting to come together, just need a Liner/chin strap.
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:32 pm

I see it's coming along nicely Pete. Remember to watch for those liners reworked for Norway. Reddish leather dye and round headed brass leather liner pins are dead giveaways. No chinstrap that has a roller buckle either. Regards Mark

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Helmet Pins.

Postby The Devils Bank » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:55 pm

Three pins now attached.

Any ideas about finding a Liner?.. spotted any?? :grin:
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Helmet Liner.

Postby The Devils Bank » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:13 pm

This Liner is now mine :thumbsup:
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:22 pm

Looks good to me. Couple of issues. First the liner string is missing as they didn't use shoe laces. The leather has been treated in my opinion, hence that dark overall appearance. Many were of course done by collectors thinking they are protecting the leather but it affects the value downwards. Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:39 pm

Cheers Mark, would a 64" liner fit this helmet or is that too big?

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:14 pm

Pete, 64 liner fits a 64 stamped shell, that is why the numbers are there. The other number which I can't quite tell from the photo would be 56 or 57 which is the actual head size. The springs in the band would expand to cover two head sizes for the one shell size :thumbsup: if your helmet is indeed a 64 then this liner will fit nicely. Hope this helps you mate. Regards Mark.

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Update.

Postby The Devils Bank » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Just been confirmed?? ( :shock: )

The Helmet is a "SE Manufactured M40" and it can be mistaken for a M35 :-?

Well, I'll fan my brow" as Oliver "Babe" Hardy would say. =))

SE: Sächsische Emaillier und Stanzwerke A.G.
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Re: Update.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:38 pm

The Devils Bank wrote:Just been confirmed?? ( :shock: )

The Helmet is a "SE Manufactured M40" and it can be mistaken for a M35 :-?

Well, I'll fan my brow" as Oliver "Babe" Hardy would say.

Great new Pete well done. Yes the difference between the two is that air vent as Pablo explained in excellent detail. Actually I was thinking Pablo if you are reading this how about posting that information again in the know your helmet codes thread? Would fit nicely since it has to do with identifying shell models. Making great progress Pete well done :thumbsup: Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:18 pm

Just added the helmet codes Mark, hope this helps.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:47 pm

The Devils Bank wrote:Just added the helmet codes Mark, hope this helps.

Thank you Pete :thumbsup: Regards Mark.

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Liner Added.

Postby The Devils Bank » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:47 pm

The Liner arrived today, and fitted without the pins for now. It fits nicely :ymapplause:

Just the chin strap and draw string to arrive now, and then the paint job..
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:34 am

Pleased to see the liner fits nicely Pete. Well done mate :thumbsup: Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Dave_Holden » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:19 am

Looking good Pete :thumbsup:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:01 pm

Now with a chin strap added, not too happy with it to be honest, but it will do for now. :-?
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:20 pm

As you have probably found out Pete, original chinstraps are quite expensive to purchase. Everybody is after them for the same reason. Lots more helmets than chinstraps create this situation unfortunately. I have tried buying non original but despite their claims, you can tell the difference. Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:27 pm

It just seems too new Mark, with a bit of crappy rust added. I've bagged another, it's split, but usable, just trying to get that payment sorted.. :ymsigh:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:18 pm

Sounds like your on the right track Pete :thumbsup: looking forward to the next update. Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby pablo10 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:28 am

great work Pete and I'm enjoying the updates

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:09 am

Hey Pete, wondering how you are going with this project. Any updates? Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby pablo10 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:35 pm

yes Pete your audience awaits you.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:49 pm

Still waiting for the "new" chin strap to arrive, and I'm having trouble fitting the liner to the helmet :grin:

The washers keep falling down into the helmet :-?

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:50 pm

The Devils Bank wrote:Still waiting for the "new" chin strap to arrive, and I'm having trouble fitting the liner to the helmet :grin:

The washers keep falling down into the helmet :-?

Arr yes been waiting for you to mention the fitting of the washers to the liner pins while trying to push them through the shell and liner band while holding the springs of the inner band away from the outer so you can get your bloody fingers in there......and I mean bloody because you take some skin off those sharp edges if your not careful. A job that would keep an octopus busy. Not easy Pete, and then try and get those pins nice and tight mate. Took me a while to figure it out but once you have the washers on the hard part is done. Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:17 pm

I'm guessing this is the helmet project with the troublesome fitting of the pins and washers Pete? Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:04 pm

I gave up Mark, trying to fit the liner.

After seeing the pictures of the liner fitting you showed, I might have another go..

If I can find the parts :eek:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:49 pm

Liner now fitted with the pins, at last some more progress has been made with this helmet. :ymapplause:
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:34 pm

Again well done Pete. I like the outside as is from the pics provided. Looks to have some patina and age...a bit of character you might say :thumbsup: Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:38 pm

It does Mark, but the paint isn't original to the helmet :sad:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:39 pm

The Devils Bank wrote:It does Mark, but the paint isn't original to the helmet :sad:


Neither will the repaint Pete. Is there any original paint underneath? Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:49 pm

No Mark, I think years ago, some fool painted it matt black, and it's flaking off in parts. x_x

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:52 pm

You know Pete, I would be inclined to leave it as is and buy a Waffen SS cloth camo cover and age it. Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:11 am

Could end up with something like this :thumbsup: Regards Mark.
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:41 pm

By buying a helmet cover and ageing it Mark, I would be covering up the helmet underneath.

The paint on it isn't original and gradually it's peeling off, bit by bit.

I'm in no rush, but I don't want a matt black helmet.

I'm going to mull over it for a while..

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:39 pm

A update on this helmet.. :-!

Draw string now attached and a camouflage rubber band added.

I'm happy. :thumbsup:
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:38 am

Well done Pete :thumbsup: Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Andyb » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:13 pm

Absolutely beautiful :thumbsup: , well done

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:15 pm

Here it is now, finished.
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm

Looks like a great display piece Pete well done. Is that the same liner from previous photos or did you change it? Regards Mark

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:55 pm

Same one Mark, it was very fragile and literally falling to pieces.

It looked a lot better than it was, but I think it suits the helmet now.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:57 pm

With it's helmet cover on..
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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Andyb » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:03 pm

Brilliant Pete , it looks just as nice without the cover and you know I like sexy camo :-bd

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:18 pm

The thing to remember about the camo cover is it can be easily taken off or reversed to change the look of the helmet without permanently changing anything. What about ageing it as well Pete? Check out mine. Regards Mark.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby The Devils Bank » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:16 pm

I will do Mark, although the cover is off the helmet at the moment, as the helmet looks so good :grin:

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Re: M40 German Helmet Relic Restoration.

Postby Dave_Holden » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:26 pm

Pete congratulations, your dedication and patience for your projects is just amazing. I wish I had the patience and time. That is a fantastic looking helmet :thumbsup:

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